Mary Hein: Psychiatrist accused of using hypnosis, sex and drugs to persuade pateint to kill her husband

Published by newsfreak
October 15, 2010 at 10:39

Mary Hein, 45-year old psychiatrist from Kenosha (Milwaukee, Wisconsin), has been accused of using sex, drugs and hypnosis to persuade a patient to kill her husband. The patient, whose name has not been released, was sent to see Hein for counselling after being arrested on a drink-drive charge. She allegedly told the patient that they will become a couple after the murder and live comfortably on her husband's $500,000 life insurance policy.

The patient claims that under hypnosis, she tried to persuade him to kill her husband. He also claims that she spiked a Gatorade bottle with a powerful drug that put him into a trance like state and had sex with him.

"It's pretty offensive to me as a psychotherapist," said Bruce Ambuel, professor of family and community medicine at the Medical College of Wisconsin. "That would be grounds for removing person's license."Source: www.todaystmj4.com

Hein was arrested after the man went to police and the therapist was secretly recorded plotting her husband's murder. She has been charged with sexual exploitation by a therapist, one count of solicitation of first-degree intentional homicide and one count of obstructing an officer.

She is facing up to 20 years in jail.

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Comment by
Kari
October 18, 2010 at 02:31

Mary Hein is Kathy and Dan Prozanski's former sister-in-law.  She was once married to Dan's brother.  in fact, I'm pretty sure Peggy had a coupleof the Mary Duncan Prozanski's sons.  That was her name then.

Comment by
annonymous
October 30, 2010 at 02:58

I happen to know the patient personally, and he was the one who drugged mary. He is a child molester, and thought that by drugging her and taking pictures of her while she was naked, he could blackmail her into getting him uout of his drug charges. If mary was smart, she's have her lawyer do some investigating into this man... he is a womanizer and user, and its unfortunate this woman has to lose her life over all this.

Comment by
October 30, 2010 at 10:01

@Anon ... interesting accusation. Do you have any proof of child molesting? Do you have a link or two?

Comment by
October 30, 2010 at 21:58

annon,

If you have more information about the case, please email us at mizozo.com@gmail.com - we will keep you anonymous, if desired.

Thanks

Comment by
anon
October 31, 2010 at 03:01

yea..look up the sex registry in wisconsin for jeff kwicinski  and he has a restraining order pending for his 2 grandkids... check ccap

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 18:26

Unfortunately I know this man very well, because he ruined my life. As for the child molesting case, the child (not a child at the time) was his son that was almost 18 (that is NOT a child to me, old enough to not be a victim) and he was in on it with him, because he wanted to get his father in trouble and that is exactly what he did as well as ruin many other lives. How can you make a guy have sex with anyone? "IT" doesn't work that way. His son is just like him. Jeff will continue to hurt people as long as he lives. Jeff will use and abuse anyone to get what he wants. He has never worked a day since I met him. He is a con and rips people off. I know, because he told me so. This is just another way for him to get money if this is true. This is too crazy and sounds just like something that he would do. IF that woman did not do anything, then God I feel so very sorry for her. I know what it feels like to be a victim of Jeff's. He is in jail for 6 months for drunken driving and I hope that he rots there. My life will NEVER be the same because of him.

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 18:30

Claudia, have you approached the authorities? This man should be severely punished for crimes like that. Maybe a clever lawyer may be able to figure out how to file a lawsuit. Have you approached any lawyers with this?

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 18:37

He was in jail for what he did to me.

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 19:26

I see. Personally, I am a vengeful type, and would make it my business to ruin this many personally. Have you contacted the victim mentioned above, Mary Hein? I would imagine that they are already aware of you in some way, shape or form, but you may be a good character witness for her, not being a lawyer my advice may not be that good.

However, being vengeful, you may want to simply cause problems for Jeff, obviously keeping things as legal as possible. For example, if you know where the man works, blasting his work with mail/email containing detailed criminal information about him would be very detrimental to his position. Likewise, if you have anything on his son, finding his son's girlfriend (facebook?) would allow you to ruin that as well (assuming she isn't aware of his past).

Again, these are just thoughts, and would probably be better discussed offline, but so long as you keep things legal, why not? 

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 20:08

WORKS? Are you kidding me? He doesnt know what that means. NO, I dont want to deal with this at all. I have been though enough. His son got married to an older woman, LMAO and I think that he is divorced now. I think that she was as stripper. He likes older women. If you now what I mean? Anyway, he is in jail on drunken driving charges I believe and if not now, he is going. He told me that today. Wants me to go see him in jail, LMAO

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 21:12

Now I am a bit confused, you spoke to the man today? You are still in contact with him?

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 21:17

I havent talked to him in a very long time and then he called me today to tell me about this garbage. I dont know if he thinks that I will feel sorry for him or what. I just laughed and told him that I don't believe him. He better not pull me into this garbage. Maybe that is what he is trying to do. I dont know.

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 21:50

Does anyone know where I can see the news reports on this? I do not live in Wisc. and I have to pay to see it on The Kenosha Newpaper online

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 22:37

As I mentioned earlier, I am the vengeful type. I never speak to anyone I feel wronged me. Hence, I find your situation confusing. However, I neither know your situation, nor know you as a person, so my confusion is understood.

As for some links, I did a quick search on news.google.com for Mary Hein and found a great deal of information. Although, nothing on Kwicinski. It seems that the media aren't allowed to print his name. 

Maybe you would like to do a character piece on him here? Since you are a registered user, you can post a short article about him with all the details you wish to disclose. 

 

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 23:15

I told you he ruined my life. I did not know who was calling and I am not a mean person, so I did not just hang up. I just want to move on from the garbage that he brought to my life and maybe I should not have commented on here. I think that I said plenty about him here, so I don't care to do a character piece on him. Actually, I am wasting my time talking about him now. He is a LIAR and a CHEATER! A USER and a CON MAN! Do I say more?

Comment by
November 4, 2010 at 23:40

Muser,

Thanks for posting here. He definitely sounds like a con man and I hope we can be of some help to expose him!

 

Comment by
Anon
November 6, 2010 at 16:10

I bet there will be a lot of women who would die to speak out about Jeff. I hope he gets it for fraud. I also know this fami.y very well, and I knew they were all ploting against her to try and get money out of her well before this ever came out in the papers. Steve was bragging that his dad got a date rape drug and used it on her to take naked pictures of her. At first it was to get out of his drunk driving, and then he planned on useing the pictures to blackmale her for $$ or else she'd lose her liscence. I feel sorry for this woman because she is going to lose her liscence over this, and her life is ruined as well. Claudia are you the one who slept with the son? Were there others?  steve must have been in on that too because he high tailed it up north once everything came out and jeff went to jail. I agree with you 100% anyone who comes into contact with either one of them will live to regret it. I know this personally as well. I also dont want to be involved, because that whole family is nuts. I think the lawyers will be able to get her out of most of this as I dont doubt she was completely set up.

Comment by
November 6, 2010 at 16:14

I am not saying anymore on here. If you want to talk you need to tell me where and who you are. Sorry. Tell me how she got to his house if she was drugged?

Comment by
anon
November 6, 2010 at 18:09

he drugged her at sara's house.

Comment by
anon
November 6, 2010 at 18:15

the daughter is in the kenosha newspaper saying she saw her (MARY) naked... kinda weird everyone was letting her in the house when she was sopposedly trying to get him to kill her husband...

Comment by
November 6, 2010 at 18:16

Well what the hell was she doing there? If she was there then she put herself in that situation. They all lie. Jeff pays the kids off to lie. I would love to know who you are.

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 00:58

I don't think anyone is questioning weather or not the 2 of them had a sexual relationship... but the whole thing was a scam... if you've read the papers lately, the charges are slowly getting dropped... and yes she is gonna have to take responsibility for her part in all of this... but anyone who knows jeff knows he manipulated it to his full advantage...But I dont see how a mans "girlfriend" can justify having sex with a 17 year old boy and his father, Thats pretty sick. and it does work if you give him a viagra... isnt that what was in the court document? hmmm...I'm just curious why someone would still be talking to a guy who sopposedly wrecked your life?  and is nothing but a con man and a liar...  what does his wife have to say about all of this??

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:00

what questions?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:02

How do you know him? I dont remember the rest because all the other posts are off my screen now and I dont know why.

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:03

if I told you how I knew him... it would be like spelling out my first last and middle name..

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:03

I dont understand because I live no where near there

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:04

What are you talking about his girlfriend? You do not have your facts straight! Don't you listen? I am NOT talking to him, I know Jeff and I am sure that he set her up. He is a PIG! Who are you and why are you hiding? What are you hiding from? And who is his wife?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:04

there are 2 pages...you can click to go back to page one...lol

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:05

Did you date him?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:06

If his son was bragging about the date rape drug, why didnt you tell the police?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:07

If you knew him so well, you would know what you are talking about. YOU DON'T!

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:09

as for the newspaper articles on this case, I dont live anywhere near there to see any of it

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:10

Well that would also give away who i am... but I didnt take anything seriously that he was saying about the date rape thing.. I was more blown away that the guy actually was banging his therapist... I didnt really know her (mary's) name.. they called her something else I think... and I actually did look her up on the internet bcuz i was going to warn her... i didnt know about the whole murder conspiracy or anything else.. just the naked pictures he was planning on useing... I never met the therapist i thought it was all bullshit to be honest.. obviously I was wrong

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:12

well now that you know, why wont you tell the police what you heard?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:12

jeffs been on the 6 o'clock news a couple times.. the kenosha news has the article..he made front page..

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:12

Any what would give away who you are?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:13

I am starting to think that I do know who you are

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:14

Did you or did you not date Jeff?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:14

i actually emailed her attorney... i dont want to be dragged into this... and dont want to be afraid for my safety if I said anything either... but I did email the attorney and may be able to help them build their case. I am surprised people arent lined up down the street to testify against him

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:15

When he called the other day he told me to watch the news which I cant where I live and I cant see the newspaper either. He sounded like this was so exciting to him

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:16

If the police came to me, I would tell them whatever they needed to know. I was never afraid of him and I am not now

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:17

did u date him?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:18

jeff's wife, the canadian chick he married from the internet cuz he thought she was rich. Someone should write a book about this guy.you do know he's married right? married, was living with a mexican in Ktown.. sleeping with a therapist... oh and had a few more on the side all at once..

 but how can you defend any actions taken against a 17 year old? no matter how you wanna look at it... that was wrong.

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:18

no, I told you I never ever dated or touched Jeff. EVER!! He is a slippery con artist. I knew it the second I met him. I should have never posted on here, but I sincerely hope the truth comes out this time. This woman isnt innocent in the fact that she broke her ethical code not to have a relationship with her patients, but on the other hand... her whole life is ruined and all because someone was trying to get $$... its sick and I do have different agendas for wanting to know the truth about things...

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:20

I have a feeling that I know who you are now. I know what you mean about not have posted on here. I wish we could talk more, then I would tell you things that I cant on here

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:21

yep... he thrives on the drama... he must feel like a celebrity in jail. You dont need the local channels here to look it up.. you canl look it up online and watch the whole news story  just punch in mary d hein in your search engine

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:21

Is he was was he related to you?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:22

I did search her name but no news station came up to watch it and I have to subscribe to see the newspaper online

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:24

OMG! NO I did NOT! I told you that I don't talk to him. All he wants anyone for is money. What is Ktown? He married someone from Canada and at the same time was living with someone else? As for the 17 year old, almost 18 then, you don't know what you are talking about and I am not defending him. What he did with that is SICK, but as long as you don't know the truth and you never will, you should not make comments like that. You don't know the facts. What were you talking about his girlfriend? 

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:25

maybe we could talk on chat... i would have to make one up quick... ?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:25

BTW, his son did it for his own gain. Not because his father made him. You can't make a guy do that and he was in on it himself

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:26

where?

 

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:27

yea i think it costs a dollar to read the article or something...idk...i will look up a couple sites for you in a sec.. they even had a blurred out picture of his sex registry picture on the news the other day...

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:28

I found more on here now TY

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:31

damn... i just figured out how we can chat.. I am going to register for an account, and we should be able to talk off of this board.. I wish there was a delete button for all these posts.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:32

LOL let me know

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:32

I think we could probably fill eachother in on a lot of things... but yes.. I am sorry to tell you he def is married. He brough her to his mom's funeral... and was spending that insurance $$ long before she died... he got married shortly after the funeral thinking he was gonna strike it rich from her the canadian.. and was living with a chick in kenosha..maria I think..  yes...while he was married. He is a very bad person... and in the midst of all that.. this whole thing blew up.. I am hopeing karma finally catches up to him. He's ruined a lot of lives.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:35

Hey the only one you should be sorry to is his NEW wife. How many wives is that now? I hope that he gets what is coming to him. I wish that I knew who you were and maybe I could tell you the facts that I will NOT say on here. He is an ANIMAL!

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:35

what things could he possibly have to gain? I'm sorry no matter what to grown adults have to know that it is wrong to sleep with a man and his son at 17... weather he wanted to be in on it or not.. morally no matter if he begged for it... it should have never happened.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:36

Like I said, you DONT know the facts!

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:38

What things did did his son have to gain? Exactly what he got. The money he stold while Jeff was in jail and he also sold things. He wanted his Dad in jail. He is just like him.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:39

well it only lets u send email messages.. but at least its not out for the world to see.

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:39

Im not comfortable posting on here who i am... and i am sure u can understand why... i think the wife went back to canada... but they married here and still are.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:40

how?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:40

Well how can we talk somewhere where the world is not going to see it?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:41

Do I know who you are?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:41

idk..i just registered for an account.. im kinda learning as i go along.. i sent u an email... thru this site...

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:43

yes... I'd have to agree with you that he is just like his dad. I didnt know him then.. just what I heard and read in court documents. But they are all liars and so full of shit its hard to know whats real and whats a lie. be happy to be done with it. Like you said as long as he's alive he will always be hurting people.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:43

When his Mom died he called me crying. I felt guilty for not going to the funeral, but I did NOT want to see if or deal with his crap. He did tell me that he had some girl there. He treated his Mom like shit and she was afraid of him

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:44

I am not seeing an email here or at my email address

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:45

If you didnt know his son then, then I guess that I do not know you. Thank God I don't live anywhere near him

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:45

How many wives now? He cheated on them all

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:46

I wonder if Mary liked his penis pump LMAO

 

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:47

i will try again...its at the top of the page...thru this site..

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:47

you may think you know me... but obviously you dont... I dont know who you are.. and i am not sure how to get in touch with you without posting private info on here... and never know who i can trust where that famiy is concerned...

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:49

Im sorry. I am not seeing where it is

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:50

hahaha @the penis pump,,, he wore the 1st one out and had to get a second one... he's disgusting... did steve live with you when he was a kid..?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:50

I am taking a bigger risk then you would be. I dont believe that I know you. I asked if I did. I have not been around for a very long time. Just remember that the court papers say one thing and there are facts that they dont you will not find in them.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:51

With me NO. I know who you are talking about though and it is not me.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:51

well try clicking on my link  anonn  i dont know why its not working...

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:52

How do know that he wore one out?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:52

Were you one this many?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:53

i only know of 3 wives... and he's cheated on everyone... he treated his mom and grandma like crap and there's rumors that he may have had sumthing to do with their death..its very sad for everyone involved or who ever been involved with him or his family... i personally keep my distance..

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:55

There are 4 wives. How do you know him?

Comment by
anon
November 7, 2010 at 01:56

his son and daughter were laughing about it... i never knew there was such a thing..and no Ive never been with jeff..not that he didnt try but definately not. He's slime

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:56

Nope sry

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:58

So then at least I know that you are a female. I would like to tell you more but  not on here. I wish that you would answer the questions that I have been asking you.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 01:59

hmmm.... idk... did you try clicking my link next to my comments?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:02

yes I did and when I try to send u a message it tell me to log in , but I was already logged in, The I log in and it taskes me to a new page and I have to search all over again for her page

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:04

i sent u a few msgs but when i looked for them in the outbox they werent there...idk i was really hopeing we could talk in private and have a favor to ask of you.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:06

I think that I know who u r but I need to to answer my question. Were u or r u related to Jeff?

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:08

I am getting very tired

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:10

again... I dont want to put any more details on this board that I already have... there is a lot I could say, but i dont want to do it on here. I think if we found a way to chat in private we could fill in the blanks for each other, but not on here... I already feel like i said way too much and like I should have never posted anything at all.

Comment by
November 7, 2010 at 02:14

Did you get my email on here? I figured it out

Comment by
anonymous
November 9, 2010 at 22:35

Wow. This guy sounds interesting. Sorry you girls have to have known him. Something should be done about this indefinately. He needs what he deserves.

Comment by
November 10, 2010 at 15:41

Thank you. This guy is beyond what any words there are to describe him. You have no idea what he has done to many people along with his son. They are sick as sick can be. He isa serving 6 months in jial right now for drunking driving for the 3-4th time. He is one BIG SICKO!

Comment by
anonymous
November 10, 2010 at 18:13

Im gonna look into this guy more. I have a brother-in-law that is a private investigator and i am going to see what he can dig up on this man. This is by far the most interesting story i have ever come across. It does make me wonder how people tend to be this way and especially to their own family. I would never dream of hurting my own kids or family or anyone for that matter.

Comment by
November 10, 2010 at 20:34

Can I ask you why you are going to waste your time looking into him? How would this benifit you?

Comment by
November 10, 2010 at 21:26

oh wow... more people are posting on here. Please fill us in. I would love to hear more. Its too bad the media is making Mary look like the bad person. If only they had all their facts straight. There is another hearing for this case on Friday, so it will be interesting to see what comes of all of this.

Comment by
November 10, 2010 at 22:13

I wish that I was there Friday

Comment by
anonymous
November 10, 2010 at 23:17

I will be sure to let you know what i am able to find. It would be nice to try to figure out some way to find the truth behind all of this but i know neither of them personally so im unable to desifer who is lying or telling the truth. But based on what i have read on here and the news stories they are both bad. Even if she is not as bad as the media is implying, she still was taped discussing her husbands potential murder so she cant be that great of a person.

Comment by
anonymous
November 10, 2010 at 23:19

If anyone has any information that would help me find anything out about all this then please be sure to inform me of your knowledge.

Comment by
anonn
November 11, 2010 at 04:19

Actually... those charges have already been dropped... there is no proof.

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 10:23

If they are able to find some kind of evidence or someone come forth then they may be able to file new charges. Since he has already been trialed for these previous charges they cant reopen the case but they can still investigate if they learn new evidence and file new charges. Its a long shot but it may be able to work. They would just have to find one or two people that knows the most about him and see if they can help out and shed some light on the situation. Im sure that if they found someone like this that they would cooperate and help in any way they could.

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 12:59

What charges have been dropped? I know him very well and I don't want to get involved. He has messed up my life enough. He is the biggest slime that I have ever know! He doesn't care who he hurts to get what he wants. He has ruined many many lives. He has been married 4 times and did something bad to all of them. He also marrys them for money. He is the SCUM of the earth! He is in jail now and I hope that he stays there!

Comment by
anonn
November 11, 2010 at 15:10

No one will probably come forward. Most people are probably afraid of him..already dead, or hiding. Exume the bodies of his mother and grandma.. then you might have a case. He is probably going to get away with ruining this woman's life. I wouldn't doubt if he files for civil compensation once this is all over with. HEs a loser... through and through.

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 16:11

I totally agree with you on his filing for civil compansation. All is he out for is money. His poor Mom and Grandma. He treated his mother like crap and she was afraid of him. I am NOT afraid of this bastard. I can not live like that.

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 17:09

People may be afraid of him but they have no need to be. He obviously preys off of women and that is a cowardly thing to do. Maybe people are not scared but just do not want to deal with his problems in their lives. The sooner they escape from him the better and no need to go back. I am sure that other people will benefit by coming forth and stopping this mess and im sure they will just for this fact. Hope they do and i cant wait to see what becomes of this.

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 17:10

And in regards to the comment about the civil compensation, sarcastically speaking, GOOD LUCK! He will not get it.

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 19:09

If you know him, he will probably find a way to get it. But you dont seem to know him personally like I do.

Comment by
anonn
November 11, 2010 at 19:51

Actually there are so many laws surrounding the code of ethics a person takes when they take a job like this, that he actually CAN. I couldn't see him doing anything that wouldnt benifit him somehow. He's a bottom feeder. Most people dont want to be  involved simply because this has been such a high profile case, and others just dont want anything to do with facing him again.

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 20:12

With this guy doing as much as he has it will catch up to him. I promise you that.

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 20:20

Things have a way of returning back on you. Maybe not right away but it always happens. This is the time it happens for Jeff.

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 20:52

Do you know Jeff?

Comment by
anonymous
November 11, 2010 at 20:56

Im getting to know him and his family with the information my brother-in-law is providing me. Quite interesting and the whole family is a mess.

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 20:58

Does your brother in law know him well, because you should not say that you know him if you only know what someone else is telling you. Does your brother in law know him personally?

Comment by
Anonn
November 11, 2010 at 21:06

what information have you found out? Would love to hear more... what about his family members.. any info on his daughter is planning to testify on his behalf? what about the son?

Comment by
anon
November 11, 2010 at 21:08

oh, and I am also a firm believer in Karma, but for some reason this guy ...right along with his family always seem to skate by... narcsisistic people feel no remorse...

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 21:30

His daughter only tesifies for him because he pays her off. She cant stand him either. Anonn, I don't understand why you want to know things so bad. What do you have to gain by it?

Comment by
anon
November 11, 2010 at 21:35

how much is he paying her? Why would he pay her if now he isnt going to get shit out of mary...how do u know he paid her?

Comment by
November 11, 2010 at 21:57

I know him very well. He has money from the death of his Grandmother and his mother to be able to pay her, but even if he didnt, he would con some woman out of money like he has always done. I have no idea how much he pays her or maybe he even blackmailed her somehow to testify for him. Knowing him, he would black mail her and lie about something to do with her kids. That is all he knows how to do. I know what he has done to his kids before. It doesnt matter if he is getting something out it, but he has to have someone back up his BS in court. I am sure that he paid his daughter off to get her to be part of this and I am sure that she was probably in on it with him with a promise of something whether is being good or bad. The whole family is a bunch of scumbags.

Comment by
Kind_Citizen
November 12, 2010 at 00:31

My brother-in-law is a private investigator and although he doesn't know him personally, he located much information on him, his family, and others and he has given me information about Jeff's past and present as well as information about the family and others associated with them. I am trying to make sense of all this nonsense. If there is no one out there to assist me i will just have to try my best to do it myself until i find someone. I am going to ask my brother-in-law if he can contact Mary's lawyer about this information i have and give him the contact information i received and let him contact the people associated with Jeff. I will also have my brother-in-law contact someone at the Kenosha Police Department so he can inform them of this imformation also, providing they dont already know, and to see if he is able to find out any other information from them.

Comment by
November 12, 2010 at 01:27

Well then have your brother get you the info. I just dont understand why you need to know anything if you do not know him. What would it help you to waste your time finding anything out about this piece of garbage? Why waste your time? Beileve me, I wasted more time on that slime ball and I can never get that time back. Dont waste your time on him. The info you have is anly hear say. I am sure that her lawyer already knows whatevver there is to know. I am sure that he has someone looking into all that. AGAIN, WHY ARE YOU WASTIN GYOUR TIME ON THAT JERK?

Comment by
November 12, 2010 at 01:28

kind citizen...plz click my link and email me.. i may be able to help.

Comment by
November 12, 2010 at 01:30

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE WASTING YOUR TIME ON SOMEONE THAT IS NOT WORTH A SHIT?

Comment by
November 12, 2010 at 13:54

I am not able to send you messages ANONN. Please send me one. I must be doing something wrong but i cannot seem to figure it out.

Comment by
November 12, 2010 at 14:40

I hate to interrupt your discussion, but I see that some of you are having trouble using our messaging system. In all honesty, this is a feature of our site that was developed very quickly but without a great deal of testing. If you don't mind me asking, if you were to change it, what would you do to fix it?

Comment by
anon
November 13, 2010 at 04:37

theres gonna be a new added twist to this little plot soon.

Comment by
November 13, 2010 at 11:48

anon, what do you mean?

Comment by
curious
November 14, 2010 at 02:27

someone posted earlier that she was "taped" . Who taped her, the police or the patient? And if this "tape" was so incriminating, why were the charges already dropped concerning the attempted murder stuff?  There is a difference between conspiring to murder someone, and just hating someone and wishing they were dead. How long did this "plot" go on between the patient and the therapist before he spoke up? Long enough for him to compile evidence to try to extohrt money, or right away? Is there proof that he did indeed try to gain money fom this therapist, or otherwise manipulate her into a sexual relationship to try to get out of his criminal charges. If not.. what would be his momentary gain from any of this? It sounds like there are so many different angles and agendas being played on this board alone. I don't think anyone involved with this will look very admirable in anyone's eyes, as both the patient and the therapist were in the wrong. This story doesn't sound solid and believeable at all for many reasons, including the credibility and stabillity of the patient making the accusations, and the therapist herself broke her code of ethics and put herself in this vulnerable situation.  It will be interesting to see who gets what and what comes out of this craziness. They'll probably even write a book about it someday, or maybe even make a movie. If anyone has any SOLID facts to state,  like court testimony and police reports..

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 14:44

I would love to know the twist that you are talking about. He went to the police and they had him record her, so they must have enough information  to have arrested her. I have not heard anything about yesterdays court appearance, so if anyone knows anything I would like to know. Knowing him as I do, he will probably sue her after this case is over. As for the book and movie, I hope that they don't, because he will find a way to get money out of that too. He is VERY dirty and I know that he in verty involved with setting her up, so I hope that the police can find proof of this and that he get what is coming to him. She is so wrong, but I know he is the one who planned this whole thing.

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 17:15

Claudia Was his third wife which all this has stemed from. She reads this board and has posted several times. She still talks to Jeff often and she often initiates the conversations by sending him text messages and calling him wondering how he is doing. She also visited him this weekend at jail. If she is so against him and he is such a bad and dirty man, then why does she keep involving herself with him? Wondering... Wow she sounds like a mess too. After the incident with her Jeff and Jeffs son she was investigated for having inappropriate contact with her children which suffer from mental diseases. So if she has been inappropriate to them they are unable to know the difference between right and wrong and are likely not to say anything. The kids were taken away from her when this investigation began. The incident with Jeff, his son and Claudia Was not the sons fault as he was at fear for his life. Claudia wasnt totally to blame either if in fact she was threatened or black mailed into it. Which wouldnt surprise me. But Jeff was made to be a registered sex offender and to be honest Claudia should have been to but wasnt. She still had sex with a minor which is against the law. She pretty much got off. But jeff does plan things out like this very meticulously and always has. He has never been responsible for his actions. Maybe never will be. He planned the whole thing against his therapist and there are people that he has told this to and those people know who they are and they also read this page frequently. This whole page is a joke. If you want to say your mind then speak up and why dont you say who you are. Wimps! If jeff is such a problem and has done so much to you people then do something about it. Quit crying and whining and do something otherwise drop it! And im sure you people know who this is. Thanks!

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 18:07

YOu are a BIG liar and dont dont know what the hell you are talking about. If you cant tell the truth, SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH! How could this have all stemed from her? She has nothing to do with him and you dont anything. If she visited him in jaik this weekend PROVE IT! LIAR! She has nothing to do with this pig. I dont know where you get your information unless you are just trying to lie to see if you can get any information. Well, you are so wrong and a BIG LIAR! Who put you up to this BS? JEFF? HIS KIDS? This is probably Sar saying BS just to cause trouble. You are just like him if this is her. A LIAR and a SCUMBAG! YOU PIECE OF THIS. SHE HAS TWO ADOPTED CHILDREN AND THAT ARE SPECIAL NEDDS. IT TAKES A GREAT PERSON TO TAKE ON CHILDREN LIOKE THAT. AS FOR BEING INVESTIGATED FOR INAPPROPRIATE CONTACT WITH HER KIDS. PROOF! WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? YOU DAMN LIAR! THE KIDS ARE GROWN AND ARE NOT THAT DISABLED TO NOT KNOW IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENED. YOU ARE A DUMBASS! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! THE KIDS WERE NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM HER STUPID. THEY WERE WITH HER SON WHO GOT THEM TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM! IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN TELL ME WHY SHE HAS THEM NOW? SHE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO THOSE CHILDREN. SHE IS A GREAT MOTHER, JUST MADE THE MISTAKE OF HER LIFE MARRYING THAT PIECE OF SHIT! THE KIDS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND CAN TELL, STUPID ASS. AS FOR STEPHEN, HE WAS IN ON IT WITH HIS DAD TO HAVE SOMETHING TO HOLD OVER HER HEAD, SO HE SAYS. STEPHEN WAS IN ON IT, SO THAT HE COULD GET HIS DAD IN TROUBLE AND HE DID. HE WAS ALMOST 18, SO TELL ME WHY HE WENT ALONG WITH IT UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHNG IN IT FOR HIM? DUH! WHY SHOULD SHE HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED SEX OFFEND WHEN HE ADMITTED WHAT HE DID TO HER? AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, A MISDEAMEANER IS NOT REQUIRED TO REGISTER. SHE HAS NO RECORD, HE DID. A LONG RECORD FOR THAT MATTER. YOU SEE WHAT HE DOES TO PEOPLE, SO NOW YOU ARE BLAMING HER? WHY DON'T YOU SAY WHO YOU ARE? WHIMP! WHY ARE YOU HIDING? WHY ARE YOU LYING? WHAT IS IN IT FOR YOU? MONEY? DADDY PAY YOU OFF? I WANT PROOF ABOUT YOUR ALLIGATIONS, CAUSE YOU ARE LYING! YOU ARE JUST LIKE HIM. AREN'T YOU PROUD?

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 18:13

BTW, A KIND CITIZEN WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE  YOU JUST DID. YOU ARE A VERY SICK PERSON JUST LIKE HIM, BUT THEN AGAIN, WHEN YOU GROW UP AROUND HIM, I GUESS THATS THE WAY YOU END UP. NOONE LIKES HIM, SO THIS COULD ONLY BE ONE OF HIS KIDS. HE HAS SCREWED WITH YOU YET YOU STILL DO HIS DIRTY WORK AND LIE FOR HIM. GET HELP, YOU NEED IT!

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 19:20

HEY KIND CITIZEN. I MEAN SARA.. (JEFFS DAUGHTER).... YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT THE 3RD WIFE CLAUDIA. HER KIDS DIDNT GET TAKEN FROM HER. THEY GOT TAKEN FROM HER SON WEN THEY WERE LIVING WITH HIM. JEFF BLACK MAILED HER. HE IS A PSYCHO PIECE OF CRAP. I KNEW HIM PERSONALLY AND TOLD CLAUDIA NOT TO MARRY HIM. HE USES WOMEN FOR MONEY AND SCREWS THEM OVER. HE RUINED HER LIFE. HIS SECOND WIFE HAD A BROKEN LEG FROM JEFF BRAKING INTO HER HOME AND PUSHING HER DOWN THE STAIRS. TELL ME HE ISNT A MULIPULIVE PSYCHO NOW! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. CLAUDIA DID NOT VISIT HIM LAST WEEKEND BECAUSE SHE WAS WITH ME!!!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. THAT PSYCHO DESERVES TO GO TO JAIL AND I GUARENTEE THAT HE BLACKMAILED MARY HEIN AS WELL!!

Comment by
November 14, 2010 at 19:33

I HOPE THAT SCUMBAG ROTS. LIVING OFF HIS MOMMY LIKE A LITTLE BABY. HE IS PROPABLY THE REASON SHE DIED. SHE WAS PROBABLY SICK OF HIM! HOW WOULD  THIS LADY RAPE HIM? HE  IS A DIABETIC AND HAS A PENIS PUMP TO GET HIM UP THERE. HE ALSO IS DIRTY AND HAS STDS!!!!!!!

Comment by
November 17, 2010 at 19:02

Im not on jeffs side and will never be. I agree witha ll that is said about jeff. There is alot to the whole story with him and claudia and steven that jeff hasnt told and there is alot to stevens side that he has never told. Steven wasnt in on it with him. Guaranteed. Not against claudia but i am against jeff. It came from jeffs own mouth that claudia was visiting him in jail that weekend. If he lied it wouldnt be surprising as thats all he does and knows to do. But im not on anyones side but my own. Just against jeff. BTW jeff isnt paying off his kids because both kids refuse to take anything from his dumb ass. Steven isnt even living in wisconsin anymore. Both kids want nothing to do with him and sick of all his BS. AND... The rumors about his mother and grandma and him having something to do with their death are correct. I always have thought that. Jeff is a terrible person but theres always a means to an end and that is whats happening. Jeff doesnt have money left. He is counting on getting a settlement from this case with mary but he hasnt told the whole truth about some things.... So he wont get away with it.

Comment by
November 17, 2010 at 21:56

WELL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN! SHE DID NOT AND WOULD NOT EVER GO TO SEE HIM, SO IF THIS IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE, THEN PROVE IT. IF HE TOLD YOU THAT THEN YOU MUST HAVE WENT TO SEE HIM YOURSELF. IF THERE IS A WAY TO CHECK TO SEE, THEN PLEASE DO SO. AS FOR THAT CASE, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TOLD TO THE POLICE, LAWYERS OR TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE TRUTH. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORTS AND NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. THEY WERE BOTH IN ON IT AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. WERE YOU THERE? IF YOU WERE THEN YOU SHOW BE IN JAIL TOO. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SAID? ARE YOU PSHCHIC? CAN YOU READ MINDS? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? JEFF HAS PAID OFF HIS KIDS MANY TIMES AND THERE ARE WITNESSES TO THINS FACT. AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY ARE JUST LIKE HIM! STEVEN PROBABLY DOESN'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE HE WAS PROBABLY INVOLVED WITH THE CASE TOO AND HE RAN. IF THE KIDS WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM, THEN WHY IS SARA TESTIFING FOR HIM? OF COURSE HE HAS NOT TOLD THE WHOLE TRUTH. HE SETS PEOPLE UP AND RUINS THEIR LIVES. I HOPE THAT THE TRUTH IS FOUND OUT AND THAT HE GETS WHAT HE DESERVES. MAYBE SOMEONE NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THE DEATHS OF HIS MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER. YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE AGAINST HIM, BUT IF YOU HEARD HIM SAY THAT SHE CAME UP THERE, THEN WHY WERE YOU VISITING HIM? WHAT WOULD HE HAVE TO GAIN BY LYING ABOUT HER GOING TO SEE HIM WHEN SHE DIDN'T? YOU BELIEVE THAT HE WON'T GET ANYTHING FROM SUING HER, BUT I BET HE DOES. IF YOU CAN'T TELL THE TRUTH THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF SOMEONE WROTE LIES ON HERE ABOUT YOU? SHE WAS NOT THERE, BUT YOU MUST HAVE BEEN TO HAVE HEARD THAT FROM HIS MOUTH.

Comment by
November 18, 2010 at 12:58

He actually gets out everyday for huber which means he can talk freely to anyone without someone having to go visit him. Sara is testifying for him but she is lying for him. Steven isnt lying for him and he didnt run because he has involvement in the case. There is penalties for lying especially about a serious case like this and hopefully sara stops otherwise its gonna come back to bite her in the ass. Steven will not lie if contacted. He is smarter than that. He has helped his dad out of many situations by lying and will not do it anymore.

Comment by
November 18, 2010 at 16:52

Of course Sara is lying for him. I still don't understand why YOU are talking to him and listening to his lies. The penalties of lying are sure not bothering his kids. If you know Jeff so well, then you know that he will always get them to do what he wants them too. I am starting to think that I know who this is, but I have no idea why you would trash his 3rd wife like that. If this is who I think that it is, write an email on here, so that I can tell you things that can not be said on here. If you are someone who was a different name on here, then you know who I mean. Why you are defending Steven is beyond me if you are who I think that you are.

Comment by
SARA
December 13, 2010 at 00:02

FUCK YOU ALL I READ ALL YOUR DUMB ASS COMMENTS AND I KNOW WHO YOU ALL ARE IN FACT CLAUDIA YOUR SO FUCKING DUMB I SPOTTED YOUR BITCH ASS RIGHT AWAY AND CALLED EVERYONE TO FUCK WITH YOU ON HERE.... SO THERE. IM A REAL MOTHER AND GUESS WHAT WHO EVER SAID THAT I WAS THE "KIND CITIZEN" I AM NOT BITCHES. FUCKING STUPID. UNLIKE ALL OF YOU I WROTE MY NAME IM NOT AFRAID THIS IS THE FIRST POST I HAVE POSTED YOU CAN GUESS WHO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO ALL THE TIME BUT YOU WERE WRONG ASSHOLES IM SO PISSED. WHY ARE ANY OF YOU WASTING YOUR TIME TALKING SHIT ABOUT ANYONE GROW UP AND GET ON WITH YOUR OWN LIVES YOUR ALL SO PETHEDIC HAVE NO LIVES GOT SO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS TO POST ON HERE. MAYBE SHOULD PUT ALL YOUR LIVES ON BLAST. DONT FUCKING RESPOND TO ME EITHER IM JUST LETTING ALL YOU LOW LIVES KNOW THAT THIS IS MY FIRST POST SO NO NEEED TO ACCUSE ME OF BEING OTHER PEOIPLE ON HERE BUT I HAVE A LIFE. I AM NOT MEDDLING IN OTHERS AND SURE I READ THIS SHIT WOULDNT YOU FOR ENTERTAINMENT YOUR ALL FUCKING STUPID. KEEP POINTING FINGERS WHEN NONE OF YOUR HANDS ARE FUCKING CLEAN. I WAS THERE WHEN YOU FUCKKING TEXT AND TALKED TO MY DAD CLAUDIA SO FUCK YOU. YOU ANITIATE CONTACT WTIH HIM AND YOU ARE NASTY YOU FUCKED A MINOR AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROSICUTED. IM NOT GONNA GO ON BUT DO NOT SAY OR TALK ABOUT MY DEAD GRANDMA OR GREAT GRANDMA. YOU LET THEM REST IN PEACE YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES.

GOOD BYE DONT CARE IF YOU WASTE YOUR TIME POSTING AGAIN, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO READ ON DAYS WHEN IM BORED AND NEED A GOOD LAUGH BUT I WILL NOT LOWER MYSELF TO RESPOND TO ANY SHIT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ME AND NOT ONLY THAT I WILL PRESS SLANDER AND HARASSMENT CHARGES ON ANYONE WHO THINKS OF STARTING SHIT WITH ME AND MY LIFE. SO GO FOR IT BE MY GUEST ... IF YOU HATE HIM SO MUCH CLAUDIA - L;EAVE HIM BE. STAY AWAY. OR QUIT TALKING SHIT IVE TOLD HIM ALL THAT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT HIM AND WARNED HIM TO NEVER TALK TO YOU. ANYWAY, NO KIND CITIZEN WASNT ME IM NOT AS CHILDISH AS ALL OF YOU.

GOOD NIGHT .

Comment by
sara
December 13, 2010 at 00:13

OH AND ANOTHER THING CAUSE YOU ALL ARE SO FUCKING IMMATURE AND BECAUSE I HAVENT GOT TO SAY ANYTHING. IM NOT GETTING PD OFF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES I TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS MYSELF. MY DAD DOESNT PAY MY BILLS. SO FUCK OFF. WORSTNIGHTMARE DONT EVER FUCKING BREATHE A WORD OF MY DEAD GRANDMA OR GREAT GRANDMA AGAIN YOU FUCKING BASTARD THEY WERE THE SWEETEST AND MOST CARING WOMEN ON THE PLANET. AND YOU COULD BE SO LUCKY TO HAVE MET THEM. IF YOU CLAUDIA WANT TO CONTINE TO TALK SHIT, AND HAVE MY NAME COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AGAIM , I WAS TOLD TO WRITE ALL ABOUT THE MURDER IN YOUR FAMILY, THE WAY YOU TOUCHED YOUR CHILDREN AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, BUT I AM NOT IMMATURE. SO FUCK YOU BACK OFF IF YOU CONTINUE TO TALK SHIT ABOUT ME, OR MY BROTHER OR MY FATHER FOR THAT M,ATTER HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A GREAT PERSON BUT YOU DIDNT HAVE TO AND DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH HIM. I KNOW THAT YOU DIDNT VISIT HIM BECAUSE HE WOULD NEVER PUT YOUR NAME ON HIS LIST. ANYWAY.... I AM TESTIFYING ONLY THE TRUTH ABOUT MARY. FOR ALL YOUR FUCKING INFORMATION I SPENT TIME WITH THE THERAPIST. AND EVERYTHING THAT I AM SAYING IN MY STATEMENT IS THE TRUTH I DOTN FUCKING LIE AND IM NOT GETTTING PD OFF. GOD ARE YOU ALL FUCKING LAME. I AM 27 YRS OLD AND MUCH MORE MATURE THAN YOU ALL ON HERE. PLEASE GIVE IT A REST. WAKE UP YOU ALL ARENT PERFECT. KARMA IS A BITCH AND EVERYONE GETS THERES IN THE END AND ITS NOT LADY LIKE TO BE ON A FUCKING WEBSITE TALKING SHIT. YOU ARE SO CONCERNED WITH MY DADS LIFE CLAUDIA, DONT YOU HAVE A LIFE OF YOUR OWN? GROW UP! I NEVER SIAD ANYTHIGN TO YOU BEFORE THIS BUT I SEE LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT MY WHOLE FAMILY. FUCK YOU . YOU FUCKED MY BROTHER IN MY GRANDMOTHERS HOUSE . WHEN HE WAS UNDER AGE. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN AS A SEX OFFENDER. IF MY FATHER IS SO BAD LEAVE HIM ALONE GO AWAY LEAVE US ALL ALONE. QUIT SPREADING HIS BUSINESS. THAT GOES FO RTHE OTHERS ON THIS SITE AND I KNOW WHO YOU ARE PERSONALLY. UNL;IKE CLAUDIA CAUSE REALLY CLAUIDA HATE TO TELL YOU BUT THE JOKE IS REALLY ON YOU, THE WHOLE FAMILY HAS BEEN WRITING TO YOU ON HERE........ ITS ONLY YOU THAT WE ARE ALL LAUGHING ABOUT.... BECAUSE YOU KEEP GOING AND GOING WITH YOUR SHIT TALKING. GO BE A MOM. GROW UP I WILL PRESSS SLANDER CHARGES AFTER SHOWING THIS TO MY FATHERS ATTORNEY I WIL FILE ANYTHING THAT THERE IS TO FILE ON YOU FOR THE THINGS YOU ARE SAYING. AND I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY DONT YOU FUCKING DARE TALK ABOUT MY GRANDMA OR GREAT GRANDMA AGAIN., NOT A WORD. ABOUT THEIR DEATH YOU HEARTLESS FUCKING PEOPL,E THERE THIS IS TRUE FROM THE HEART TALKS FROM SARA CAUSE UNL;IKE ALL YOU LOSERS THAT ARE SCARED TO WRITE YOUR NAMES ON HERE. IM NOT. AND I ONLY SPEAK THE TRUTH SO DENY WHAT YOU WANT BUT I DONT LIE AND I LEAVE MY NAME WHICH SHOWS ALOT MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE ON HERE SO GOOD NIGHT do me a favor claudia DO NOT ANSWER ME I WILL NOT REPLY TO BULLSHIT DO NOT BLAST MY LIFE ON HERE OR THERE WILL BE PROBLEMS ILL CONTACT AUTHORITIES

Comment by
sara
December 13, 2010 at 00:23

ONE MORE THING I FORGOT. CLAUDIA ACTUALLY TALKED TO A FAMILY MEMBER AND SHE PROMISED TO COME BACK ON THIS SITE AND TALK ALL KINDS OF GOOD STUFF ABOUT JEFF AND FIX IT ALL, BUT CLAUDIA DIDNT DO IT, AND IM GONNA LET THAT PERSON KNOW SO THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THERE END OF THE DEAL... SEE THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW YOUR REALLY TALKING TO THE DAUGHTER. SHE REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.

Comment by
anonymous
December 22, 2010 at 15:43

Jeff Kwicinski is a piece of shit...anyone who says different obvoiusly doesnt know him...as for his children, lets just say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, although steve is slowly stepping away from the bullshit...sara can post whatever she wants(as can anyone), but if you knew anything about her youd see that she is exactly like her father, as 99% of what comes out of her mouth is a lie...why dont you ask her whos bmw shes been driving around the past few months...Dolores and Ester would be devistated to see what their grandaughter has become...but again, jeff is one of the biggest pieces of s**t i've ever had the displeasure of knowing...i feel for this mary hein and hope that jeff gets whats been long overdue...

Comment by
anonymous
January 5, 2011 at 21:24

A good mother wouldn't allow her two children around a convicted sex offender. Yea and a real father wouldn't make his son fuck his wife. We know your dad doesn't pay your bills. Your lazy drug addict boyfriend and you live off of public housing and food stamps. You dont even have a job. You're a loser just like your dad. and the BMW your driving isn't a payoff? Riiiiiiight. Your whole family is going to get what it deserves. One by one.  and you can play the good mother act but how many times have you been evicted had no car, and made your kids switch schools. You aient shit. just a fat lazy degenerate.runs in the family Why dont you tell everyone your dad had a few 3 somes with sum of your boyfriends? Since your so worried about defending the loser instead of telling the truth. Yea sounds like your all just sick in the head. you and steve will lie for jeff and he will wreck another person's life. You must all be so proud of yourselves. your dead grandmas are probably rolling over in their graves with pride for you both. and this is a public forum. if you have a problem with what is being written here take it up with the owner of the website. It's called freedom of speech. Remember that next time your running your fat mouth.

Comment by
gary
January 5, 2011 at 21:51

I do not appreciate people talking about the mother of my children. Do not talk about her that way! She does not get housing! She takes care of "our" children just fine. She has went through some hard times but who hasnt. also, no need to mention the 3 somes with myself and her father, that is neither here nor there! Leave the family alone if you dont like them. And the BMW was sold to my mother, so Sara does not have it anymore. Get your facts straight!

Comment by
anonymous
January 17, 2011 at 13:30

People need to stop posting as other people. The BMW is not in Betty's possesion. It was ripped away from Sara because there was yet another altercation within the family. That whole family is royally fucked! Jeff is a piece of shit and Sara is equally as fucking pathetic. When's the last time that bitch had a job or wasn't living off of the state and child support? That's what I thought. It's funny how anyone can write in and put their name on the post...anyone with half a brain could see that Jeff is one of the biggest loser, con artist, scum of the earth pieces of shit around and that his daughter is a carbon copy of him. She calls herself a mother? LMAO!!! Just because you gave birth doesn't make you a mother. Jeff, if there was any justice in the world, you'd rot in prison where you belong. Sara, go fuck yourself...you're gonna get yours...

Comment by
ann
January 26, 2011 at 19:00

^^ Agreed. She's no mother. She cant take care of her kids so she takes bribes from Jeff. Feel sorry for her kids. She dont work and has no car and lives off the state. Low life.

Comment by
anon
June 11, 2011 at 22:52

Mary haas been found NOT GUILTY of all charges.. imagine that.

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