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WORLD: Heated discussion over Airline policy leads Northwest Airlines pilots to fly 150 miles off course



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Updated - It wasn't the argument but laptop usage in the cockpit that distracted the pilots. Check the mizozo for details.

Updated 2 - The licences of both the pilots has been revoked. Check the mizozo for details.

Heated arguments can make you miss an exit, a pickup or a turn while driving, but  missing an airport while flying is a little new.

Heated argument leds to over flying 150 miles

Northwest Airlines flight 188 flew 150 miles off course when the crew got into a heated argument over airline policy. The flight was carrying 147 passengers and was supposed to land at Minneapolis-St Paul International/Wold-Chamberlain Airport.

 

When the pilots got their "situational awareness" back they turned the Airbus A320 around and landed it safely on Wednesday evening, apparently without any of the 144 passengers realising they had taken a roundabout route.

Ground controllers lost contact with the pilots just before 7pm and radio contact was not re-established for more than an hour. The Federal Aviation Administration notified the military, which put fighter jets on alert at two locations.

The flight was scheduled to land at 8.01pm local time but eventually arrived at 9.15pm, according to Ed Stewart, a spokesman for Delta Air Lines, which owns Northwest. Delta has suspended the pilots while it carries out an internal investigation, and the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were being sent to Washington for analysis.

Federal officials are investigating whether pilot fatigue might have played a role, but an NTSB spokesman, Keith Holloway, said the idea that the crew may have fallen asleep was "speculative".

Source: Guardian

 

There was "no radio contact" as it travelled at 37,000 feet (11,300 meters) from San Diego, California, prompting fears it had been hijacked. Four military fighter jets were readied to chase down the plane before contact was reestablished.

Delta Airlines merged with Northwest Airlines last year and the company is going through changes with regards to pilot unions contracts, etc. Seniority is always a big deal for the pilots of a merged union since the number in the list decides on which trip they can pick and which aircraft they can fly.

 

 

 

Updated: 10/27/2009 23:44 Add to Favorite   Send Message   Send Story to a Friend   Bookmark and Share
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WORLD:  Update: Northwest Airlines pilots were using their laptops when they went off course

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Northwest Airlines pilots were discussing the new computerized crew-scheduling system that the airline was introducing when they lost time during the flight when they went off-course.

Both the pilots had plenty of experience - Capt. Timothy B. Cheney, 53, of Gig Harbor, Wash., was hired in 1985 and had 20,000 hours of experience, about half of it in A-320s, the kind of plane the crew was flying last Wednesday, between San Diego and Minneapolis. First Officer Richard I. Cole, 54, of Salem, Ore., was hired in 1997 and had about 11,000 hours of experience.

 

Neither pilot was aware of the airplane’s position until a flight attendant called about five minutes before they were scheduled to land and asked what was their estimated time of arrival,”the interim report said. By that time, they were still at 37,000 feet and more than 100 miles beyond their destination.Source: www.nytimes.com

 

The pilots were actually using their laptops while discussing  the new crew scheduling system which allows them to place bids for routes or work shifts by computer. Interestingly, according to Delta's company policy, pilots are not supposed to take their laptops inside the cockpit.

 

"Each pilot accessed and used his personal laptop computer while they discussed the airline crew flight scheduling procedure," the report said.

"The first officer, who was more familiar with the procedure, was providing instruction to the captain."Neither pilot said he was aware of where the plane was until a flight attendant called the cockpit about five minutes before the plane was to have landed and asked their estimated time of arrival, the report said.

"The captain said, at that point, he looked at his primary flight display for an ETA and realized that they had passed" the airport, it added. After 78 minutes of radio silence, the pilots re-established radio contact with air traffic controllers, it said.

 

Source: CNN

Passengers were given $500 travel vouchers to compensate them for their inconvenience and that the pilots have been suspended until the conclusion of the investigations.

In conclusion, it seems that neither the pilots were napping or drunk or arguing but working on their laptops trying to figure out the new crew scheduling tool. So, who was flying the plane?

 

 

 

Article tags:    Laptop In Cockpit    Richard I. Cole    Timothy B. Cheney   
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WORLD:  Licences of both the pilots has been revoked

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Licences of both the pilots — Timothy Cheney of Gig Harbor, Wash., the captain, and Richard Cole of Salem, Ore., the first office, have been revoked. Earlier, the pilots had told the investigatora that they were working on their personal laptop computers and lost track of time and place.

 

The pilots, who were out of communications with air traffic controllers for 91 minutes, violated numerous federal safety regulations in the incident last Wednesday night, the FAA said in a statement. The violations included failing to comply with air traffic control instructions and clearances and operating carelessly and recklessly, the agency said.

"You engaged in conduct that put your passengers and your crew in serious jeopardy," FAA regional counsel Eddie Thomas said in a letter to Cheney. Northwest Flight 188 was not in communications with controllers or the airline dispatchers "while you were on a frolic of your own. ... This is a total dereliction and disregard for your duties."

A similar letter was sent to Cole.

The pilots said they were brought back to awareness when a flight attendant contacted them on the aircraft's intercom. By then, they were over Wisconsin at 37,000 feet. They turned the Airbus A320 with its 144 passengers around and landed safely in Minneapolis.

The revocations, which apply to the pilots' commercial licenses, are effective immediately, FAA said.

Source: www.google.com

 

The pilots have 10 days to appeal the emergency revocations to the National Transportation Safety Board.

Endangering the lives of 144 passengers is unacceptable. What if they didn't have enough fuel to land the airplane?

 

Article tags:    Licences Revoked    Richard Cole    Timothy Cheney   
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The passengers must have been very happy, especailly those making connecting flights.  Well, at least the plane wasn't hijacked!

Posted Date: 10/23/2009 16:23 Hammer Hammer ratingHammer ratingHammer ratingHammer ratingHammer rating Hammer 0 Recommend Report Abuse
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Such activities should be done 3 year before.

Posted Date: 01/19/2010 12:21 flightsflights 0 Recommend Report Abuse
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The cockpit voice recorder and said everything would be removed immediately, if I give this credibility story. NW pilots are among the most militant in the industry and the Delta are running the show now, I am sure there is plenty to "discuss" in the cockpit. Flying the plane? No, not really a priority.

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